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Hi, I had a similar problem two years ago. (rotator cuff injury) Had an x-ray and MRI and the doctor told me i would need surgery. When canceling a planned P3 event due to the planned surgery Dan BC pointed me to: https://www.amazon.com/Shoulder-Solution-Prevention-Revised-Expanded/dp/1589096428 I did the exercises and to my amazement the problem is 90% over and i have pain free full movement of my shoulder now. Since then i posted two skydiver friends with the same problem to this method and it has greatly improved their issues too. I did notice i need to keep doing the exercises, if i stop the complaints come back a little after about three months. I suggest looking into it, talk to your doctor to see if he/she thinks it would't do harm in your situation and try it before getting surgery. Best of luck Peter

Update on planes & organizers. 2nd Supervan confirmed FS Organising by Martial Ferré, Hermans Landsman & Eric Staal FF Organising by "Bennie" Bénard (more to follow)

The annual Viking boogie is on again this year at Skydive Hoogeveen in the Netherlands. DATES: THURSDAY AUGUST 12 - SUNDAY AUGUST 15 LOCATION: SKYDIVE HOOGEVEEN, The Netherlands Great atmosphere C208 supervan(s) Internationally recognised FS and FF organising FS - Herman Landsman others to be confirmed soon Great food Amazing people Onsite campground Campfire BBQ More... Depending on the covid restrictions at the time of the boogie the big hot tub might even be back :-) There are no guarantees but te expectation is that travel restrictions to and from at least most European countries will be lifted by the time the boogie takes place. Check the boogie info page for up-to-date info Limited slots available: Registration to open on june 15.

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Location: Skydive Hoogeveen, the Netherlands Dates: Thursday July 30 09:00 - Sunday August 2 - 20:00 Our annual Viking Boogie WILL take place after all. Unfortunately, because of the 1,5 m. rule, the hot tub is out of bounds, but we do have : Top organizers, International guests Cessna 208B Supervan (18 jumpers) Unlimited jumping from 15.000 ft Good food Landing just outside the hangar Aerodyne Demo Gear BBQ Brandnew firepit for a huge campfire De bar has also reopened Organizers: FS: Herman Landsman & Arnoud Collenteur FF: Maarten “Bennie”Bernard (Protocol Freefly) Prices:Boogie fee – € 12,50 per dayJump ticket 12.500 ft – € 20Jump ticket 15.000 ft – € 24Breakfast – € 5, Lunch – € 5, Diner – € 12,50, BBQ – 17,50MANDATORY PRE-REGISTRATION – Register https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=ozKdTc9ED0uqJHj6gOYU0Xg4Mm1mRu9JqmUTmWvVbS1UOEM3Q05RTzNVM0hDWDE2QkRFSFg1NTZCSC4uCovid-19 information: There are a number of rules you need to comply with when attending:* Only come to the boogie if you are healthy/ fit* Abide by alle the rules and regulations of the dutch authorities regarding Covid-19 (RIVM & KNVvL)* Keep a distance of 1,5 meters between each other at all times (dirt-diving excluded)* Everyone needs to carry a filled-out and signed health declaration [download]* Wearing a mask/buff is mandatory inside the airplane from the time you board to just before exit* Wearing a mask/buff is mandatory when riding in the busses returning from the student landing area* Bring your own mask/buff!* No more than 9 people in the packing area of the hangar at one time (there is more then enough room to pack elsewhere)

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Sunpath wants the rig back for testing. (will do that at the end of the season)

Hi @johnmatrix, you are right. The issue here is the force needed to rotate the bag, not the force needed to lift the container. I've done a lot of C&P's in the past on different rigs (used to du CReW too :-) and never experienced this problem until now. A 5 second delay will likely be enough to generate the snatchforce needed to rotate the bag. Normally that won't be a problem but I'm would not like to end up in a situation where for some reason I have to exit at 2500 ft and am forced to do at least a 5 second delay. @councilman24 I do pack with the lines towards the bottom of the container (and therefore the bridle attachment towards the bottom of the reserve container :-) @gowlerk The PC is pretty new and perfectly fine according to the rigger. (and does not change the considerable force required to rotate the d-bag) The question remains: Is 25 to 32 lbs too much?

@husslr187 Thanks, its a 114 sqft and its not to big, the rig closes nicely. My rigger checked the bridle, kill-line and pilot and everything is like it is supposed to be. He asked sunpath about this issue and is waiting for a reply. I was just wondering if anyone knew the specs for maximum required pull-force for lifting the d-bag from the container if there are such specs (or pulling the pin for that matter). Peter

Hi, I'm jumping a Javelin Odyssey RSK-1 (2018) with a NZA Crossfire 3 114 sq.ft. in it and am having a problem doing Clear & Pulls. Packing the rig as recommended in the manual (with the d-bag rotated with the bridle attachment towards te bottom of the reserve container) I have 7 second delays doing a Clear and Pull (pulling about 2 seconds after exit). The pin is pulled immediatly but the d-bag does not lift from the container for about 7 seconds. I had my rigger check the rig, bridle and pilot chute and everything is the way it is supposed to be. I have measured the required force to rotate and lift the d-bag from the container and when pulling the bridge at a 45 degree angle (towards the top of the container) it takes 14.8 Kgs (32.6 Lbs) to pull the bag from the container. Pulling straight up at a 90 degree angle the required force is 11.4 Kgs (25.1 Lbs). I understand the dynamics of forward and downward speed doing a clear & pull and can see why it takes a while for the d-bag to leave the container but am very uncomfortable doing clear & pulls like this. I have resorted to packing with the d-bag upright and this solves the problem but the container doesn't close nicely this way. Does anyone know the specifications for the maximum pull-force needed to lift the d-bag from the container? Is the required pull-force outside the specifications or should I look at the pilot chute not creating enough drag as the source of the problem? Best regards, Peter