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I have a 109 main and a 126 reserve on both my rigs, at "cost" of increasing the container size one notch. The particular reason that made me make this choice was the thought "if I'm landing incapacitated or unconscious, I still want to have a chance to survive and stay at least relatively whole".

Separately, since much debate here is centered around "teaching bad behavior", how can it be defined, after all? My attempt would be something like "teaching potentially harmful actions while ignoring or disregarding their dangerous consequences" If so, then the implications for skydiving, where everything is potentially harmful, are obvious, as well. You teach everything with straight connection to the consequences, or you teach nothing.

Hallelujah. As to the need for fear/ real experience vs. talks, studies, and even "letting them see the negative outcomes", there's a number of massive plain examples. One of them would be the improbably high crash rate that occurred when one very large Asian country experienced rapid economic growth and its dwellers started becoming first-generation car drivers en masse. A big expensive analysis showed that most of them never expected the car crash to be so painful & encumbered with consequences because they knew driving by playing computer games. This is not even an anecdote, the data on this research is publicly available. Another much sadder one is the historical fact of the widespread public enthusiasm upon declaration of the civil war in another big country. To be compared with the general sentiment upon a few years into the war on its both sides. Repeated multiple times through ages. Same reasons as why "peaceful citizens" can never fathom those in the war zones nor veterans coming home, and don't let me start on some of them who are aggressively pushing their rights or promoting their informed views. From this angle, the conclusions look straight, one would hope.

Same idea in racecar driving and extreme driving training. You have to learn how to put the car into skid and manage it so as, beside safety protocols, it provides an entire new range of driving methods and performance capabilities. When you're keeping the car hair breadth from the skid, that's when you're taking track bends the fastest; for the speed turns/ maneuvers you have to initiate an actual skid and control the car while in it; you activate ABS by precipitous braking and learn to maneuver under it etc. etc. - a broad array of inputs, techniques, and respective results. There's various special equipment and drills to imitate both intentional and unintentional situations, activated either by the student or the instructor or both, depending on the exercise. And you drill it so much that your knees, elbows, and shoulders are continuously bruised because of the kicks and the G's (right hand side ones if you're doing track), hands scuffed and blistered even with the gloves, letting alone your crippled neck, head and eardrums at the end of the day. Same principle, same method: you do the "error" and learn to control it. Another important notion is: these "errors" can be, and often are, easily and imperceptibly entered into by doing nothing conscious, simply through unawareness or/ and lack of attention. That's exactly why one needs to know by rote where the "mistakes" begin so as you can keep your focus on preventing them when such is your current intent.

Agree & support.

Guys, thank you for the suggestions. A few points here: 1. Worldnomads in fact sell Bupa’s insurance. I’d reckon it unlikely that Bupa covers something that Worldnomads don’t, and vice versa. Therefore it probably would be worth an effort to get positive statement from Bupa as to whether or not they cover third party damage for skydiving. As an example, recently I had the same conversation with CareMed, a German insurer, and after several rounds of specific questioning they said that they don’t cover third party liability for skydiving, although it was not stated anywhere in their policy wording. 2. Generally for skydiving insurance, this answer that you got from Worldnomads “You must be with a professional, qualified and licensed guide, instructor or operator” makes me wonder: if we are on a jump with one or a few sports or fun jumpers holding USPA or other national licenses, neither of whom is a professional, “guide”, instructor, or operator, it doesn’t fit the wording. What do they really cover, then? Tandems? 3. It was (still is) an expressly stated requirement in some places that in order to jump there one had to have insurance covering the third party liability/ damage in a specific amount, so I used Worldnomads dozens of times, with their declared amount for such coverage being EUR 1,750,000 in the “Explorer” plan. Quite a few people did, too. Wondering, since when do Worldnomads exclude this coverage for skydiving? Since recently, or did they just forget to mention it since the beginning, and we were lucky not to discover it in some other way? Overall, Worldnomads, Bupa, or CareMed do not look like straightforward reliable solutions, I guess we need to keep looking.

Hi guys, I’ve been using Worldnomads.com for life, medical, and third party damage insurance (for places like Dubai), it was convenient buying well-covered policies for specific time frames and countries of travel. For some reason, Worldnomads don’t offer their services for my country of residence anymore. Can you please advise a similar service, or anything at all that would work? Thank you.

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