billvon 2,822 #451 July 25, 2012 >Last and ONLY canopy in the sky each time. I know at least two people who almost killed other people at Perris by landing crosswind/downwind. They were both certain they were the only one in the sky. One of them was in fact protesting to the guy at the LZ that "I was the only one in the sky!" as the first jumper from the load after him landed next to him. >Sorry buddy, NOT prepared to land downwind in 15mph wind. Then don't jump. >We used to call this common sense. "Common sense" means not risking killing other jumpers on the load because you're not able to land your canopy with them. If you can't follow the traffic pattern - sit out the jump. >After a thorough risk assessment I decided that the biggest risk to me landing last , >into the wind , was from all the other bozos on the ground who insisted on downwind >HP landings .... After a great many deaths, many DZO's are deciding that the one guy who decides to land against traffic is the bozo who needs grounding. And I have to say that's a good call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,822 #452 July 25, 2012 >So Ian we are supposed to use our psychic ability and predict that someone is going >to set a downwind landing pattern in a 15mph wind before we get onto the plane? Nope. But feel free to land out if you want to land into the wind. You might have to walk, but if you feel that's safer for you than landing with traffic, go for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #453 July 25, 2012 Quote>So Ian we are supposed to use our psychic ability and predict that someone is going >to set a downwind landing pattern in a 15mph wind before we get onto the plane? Nope. But feel free to land out if you want to land into the wind. You might have to walk, but if you feel that's safer for you than landing with traffic, go for it. Another reason I'm not a fan of "First man Down".Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #454 July 26, 2012 in reply to "And this is why, IMO, we as skydivers will not figure this out on our own. Everyone is selfish. The guy forcing everyone downwind and you deciding which way you want to land regardless of the direction set. .............................................. I've got a strong feeling we're big enough to work this out. There's room in the sky for everyone if we work together. I don't boss anyone around and I don't like being bossed around especially by dimwitted HP bozos. "idea".... let the main landing area land into wind. let the bozos land downwind..... somewhere else (eg swoop pond)... infront of their adoring crowd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 99 #455 July 26, 2012 Quote>So Ian we are supposed to use our psychic ability and predict that someone is going >to set a downwind landing pattern in a 15mph wind before we get onto the plane? Nope. But feel free to land out if you want to land into the wind. You might have to walk, but if you feel that's safer for you than landing with traffic, go for it. Now you're implying that if a person lands far enough away, then doing things such as following others into 15 mph downwind landings isn't expected. Is that what you mean? Just a bit ago you said, QuoteIf you can't follow the traffic pattern - sit out the jump. and, QuoteDZO's are deciding that the one guy who decides to land against traffic is the bozo who needs grounding. And I have to say that's a good call. The discussion should be about how landing far away, with a low speed, non-swoop pattern should be OK to avoid following others.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,822 #456 July 26, 2012 >Now you're implying that if a person lands far enough away, then doing things such as >following others into 15 mph downwind landings isn't expected. Is that what you mean? Not really. What I mean is that if you are landing in a pattern with other jumpers you MUST follow the pattern. Period. Even if it means you land downwind. If you don't want to do that, then you have to land far enough away that you are not a factor in anyone else's pattern. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisan 0 #457 September 28, 2013 So, how many have died since I was last here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #458 September 28, 2013 MarisanSo, how many have died since I was last here? Too many for sure - But how long ya been gone? 3 or 4 come to mind stateside since the last 'we' conversed...that's just ballparking it, not checking stats. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisan 0 #459 September 28, 2013 14 Months Jim. The death rate seems to have dropped but, like you, I haven't been checking the stats. I feel refreshed with my break so flame away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #460 September 28, 2013 It seems that proximity flying and low cutaways are this years fashionable ways to die. HP turns less so."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #461 September 30, 2013 Marisan 14 Months Jim. The death rate seems to have dropped but, like you, I haven't been checking the stats. I feel refreshed with my break so flame away. Hmmm? Check the incidents forums? Again...Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisan 0 #462 October 1, 2013 I take your point. Same old same old still allowing people to kill themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 149 #463 October 2, 2013 Haven't really been keeping score, but there seems to have been a lot less in the last year or so. People still killing themselves regularly though....My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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