Dua 0 #1 December 28, 2018 Every wingsuit can do flaring or not ? want your suggestion for beginning to train step by step about WS flaring. Regards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20kN 93 #2 December 28, 2018 Depends on the suit. For a small suit, not really. Small suits are going to be hard if not impossible to gain altitude in during a flare. Some mid sized suits can do it, but only if you do it right. Putting the suit into a steep dive and then slamming it into a high AoA configuration super quick is not a flare. That will just have you plowing through disconnected air, slowing you down quick. But I am not the most experienced in the topic and so there are others that can comment better. Squirrel has some good resources on the matter on their website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kat00 11 #3 December 28, 2018 Beginner wingsuits do not have the surface area to flare. You need to get into the Squirrel ATC (and equivalents) range to start to get one. Flares are fun but it's not something you focus on early. Learn to fly relative to others while adding in some speed and taking the wingsuit steep. Once you get larger suits then work with a flysight or dekunu to analyze jumps and what works or doesn't work. Patience :) Next Level/Squirrel video on flaring: https://vimeo.com/257719767 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dua 0 #4 December 28, 2018 Thank you very much. I assume that flaring before deploy main canopy can reduce the risk from linetwist. My understanding is right or not ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #5 December 28, 2018 There is A LOT more going on in the prevention of WS line twists other than flaring... Some may agree that a faster extraction would help mitigate line twists... Think BIG picture when thinking clean WS deployments... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dthames 0 #7 December 28, 2018 DuaThank you very much. I assume that flaring before deploy main canopy can reduce the risk from linetwist. My understanding is right or not ? Flying straight throughout deployment....up to the point that you can no longer fly has a LOT to do with a clean deployment. Flaring is a fun challenge. If you have a Flysight and can monitor your vertical speed, you can quickly learn how close you are getting to zero vertical and if you gain some altitude, how far you are going up. In a medium sized suit, a person can get to less then 10 MPH vertical for a few seconds.Instructor quote, “What's weird is that you're older than my dad!” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yuthaphum 0 #8 December 28, 2018 OK,great. I will looking for flysight first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydave89 19 #9 December 29, 2018 Lots of speed in a big suit + a head high angle of attack = flare. Pretty simple, really. The fine tuning comes from how you build up speed prior to the flare, how smoothly you transition from dive to flare, and your ability to maintain a flat and solid wing throughout the climb. It’s easy to try to initiate the flare too quickly and you just plow air. Or once you begin the flare your body breaks into an arch shape. Take your max flight, fastest you can go position and then try to hold that same position with a head high attitude and you should be climbing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lukasz_Se 2 #10 December 29, 2018 I did menage to gain alltitude in a Swift 3, only like 10-15 ft but I only hade few jumps on it, never could do that in Swift 2 though, I guess Swift 3 has airlocks helping keeping the suit pressurised when you flare? It was super fun though, I got the same feelings in the flare as with ATC or Freak, just obviously not as much alltitude gain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yuthaphum 0 #11 December 29, 2018 Thank you very much. I will try step by step. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20kN 93 #12 January 6, 2019 Lukasz_SeI did menage to gain alltitude in a Swift 3, only like 10-15 ft but I only hade few jumps on it, I would like to see the Flysight data on that. I know a few professional wingsuiters who admitted to me they couldent even gain altitude in an S3. Just because it feels like you're going up does not necessarily mean you are. You need to confirm with a GPS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lukasz_Se 2 #13 January 6, 2019 I do have a flysight data from a jump with 10ft gain if i remember correctly, I will post it when I get home Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jallison 8 #14 January 24, 2019 @Lukasz_Se, got home yet ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20kN 93 #15 January 25, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 12:33 AM, Lukasz_Se said: I do have a flysight data from a jump with 10ft gain if i remember correctly, I will post it when I get home I'd still like to see this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lukasz_Se 2 #16 January 29, 2019 Nothing to see, you guys were right. Elevation on flysight data goes up by few feet but what I did not check was all the other data, first of all the alltitude gain takes like half a second, second my vertical velocity is around 20-40 miles/h at top of the "flare". I jumped with a borrowed flysight and got excited when I looked at the graph quickly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #17 January 30, 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9-wPrR_fNs Not the best form but you can clearly see the change in AoA... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geo-Log 0 #18 March 3, 2019 Dua, here is a very good explanation how to make flare in wingsuits: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites