urowolf 0 #1 October 19, 2018 [https://vimeo.com/295150145] New excellence in wingsuit friendly canopy. Brian Germain's Renegade 7 cell with air locks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanielRistow 3 #2 October 24, 2018 urowolfhttps://vimeo.com/295150145 Stickied it for you. Ant that opening looked funky. And why would you need airlocks on a low performance 7 cell? Doesn't seem worth the extra pack volume which seems to be a good selling point on a wingsuit canopy, lowest pack volume to fit a larger canopy in a tiny container.Whats the point of living if you aren't doing what you love? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluhdow 31 #3 October 24, 2018 DanielRistowAnd why would you need airlocks on a low performance 7 cell? Presumably to create something a bit sportier than a "low performance 7 cell." Airlocks also add stability in turbulent conditions which can be plus for those of us jumping in the desert. I think it's a fair statement that many of the new WS canopies are making a compromise where they give away a meaningful amount of flying performance in exchange for improved opening behavior. This appears to be an attempt to find a more desirable middle ground. I haven't flown one, but I don't see the value in knocking his idea.Apex BASE #1816 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20_kN 0 #4 October 25, 2018 I believe the point of airlocks is solely to help prevent collapses and increase stability in turbulence by keeping the cells pressurized. I am not sure that airlocks are intended to have much benefit on performance. I dont see how having them would change the flight of the canopy under normal conditions. Anyway, the Renegade has three sections in the outer cells (as opposed to two in the other five cells), making it unique. I dont think I've seen that before. Here is another video of the canopy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=BxhfCpOJFjI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluhdow 31 #5 October 25, 2018 Here's an excerpt from an admittedly old article on this site about air locks: "Simply put, an 'Airlock' is a system designed to contain the internal pressure of a ram-air canopy, and therefore its airfoil shape. In short, the air goes in, but it doesn’t go out. If the wing’s shape is not reliant upon the relative wind (created by airspeed), then the performance range is consequently expanded and enhanced in every respect. In addition, the theory holds, such a self-contained airfoil will not distort or be otherwise adversely effected by turbulent flying conditions." If I'm understanding correctly the argument is that increased stability should lead to more consistent performance, which could certainly be considered a performance benefit. I do think I understand your point though, in that air locks in and of themselves won't change flight characteristics (aside from consistency). At the end of the day it's another option, and it's different from what else is out there. That's good for jumpers...so yay Renegade!Apex BASE #1816 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 278 #6 October 26, 2018 Ah, names do get reused. Not to be confused with the National Renegade in the 1980s, a nearly unknown and not very good ram air from the folks better known for their round reserves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
urowolf 0 #7 November 9, 2018 https://vimeo.com/296288994 Here's some more Renegade footage. Great alternative for Wingsuiting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
urowolf 0 #8 November 9, 2018 TY. Will have to figure out how to do that:) Posted another video for Renegade. See below. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmut 0 #9 November 12, 2018 wonder how different it is from the lotus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20kN 93 #10 November 14, 2018 Helmut wonder how different it is from the lotus. Well for one the Louts is a 9 cell with a higher aspect ratio and the Renegade is a 7 cell with a lower aspect ratio. I suspect the Renegade is closer to other non-WS specific 7-cells like the PD Storm than it is to a WS specific canopy like the Epicene. I dont think Brian would make a canopy that is extremely vanilla and boring to fly. However, that's what WS specific canopies are. They are usually LPV low bulk PN-9 type fabric that's intended to be as reliable and predictable as possible. I've flown the Epicene and the Horizon and found they fly like a semi-truck with flat tires, but that's the trade-off when you want opening reliability. I am not sure that anyone can make canopy that flies like a sports car while also making it rock-solid stable with 15 linetwists after a bad WS opening. Of course this is speculation as I have not flown a Renegade, but I'll report back if/ when I do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites