4-way exit FAIL - skydiver loses shoe

Have some hilarious footage for yall! 
Celebrated our B-License canopy course completion with a 4-way docked exit, when a friend of mine completely mistimes the exit jump - jumping out early, and losing his shoe in the process LOL!
I am the guy in front of him with the black G3 and lose my grip when he unexpectedly jumps early, however he proceeds to pull the camera man down with him, who proceeds to pull the 3rd jumper with him, who proceeds to pull me with him!  LOL!

You can hear the camera guy laughing his butt off under canopy hehehe!
We were busting his balls for the rest of the day hahahaha! 
(the Ninja Turtle socks had me crying! )

46 minutes ago, billvon said:

Funny video!  But in the future maybe stick to smaller formations until everyone can control their fallrates and approach speeds, and can refrain from mixing sitflying and belly until they have that control.

I agree on the freeflying - not sure why one of the guys was freeflying - us other 3 were belly down.
We normally do just fine when the exit is good.
That being said we are REQUIRED to do 5 4-way exits for our B-License proficiency card.

3 hours ago, billvon said:

Funny video!  But in the future maybe stick to smaller formations until everyone can control their fallrates and approach speeds, and can refrain from mixing sitflying and belly until they have that control.

New B licenses you say?  4 of them on one jump? At least you're having fun, but I also see a potential for great pain.......

Just now, billvon said:

A licenses, working on B licenses.

Only in America...... Here we don't let A CoPs jump together, and never in 4 ways. My feeling is that the rule is too loose in the US, but too strict in Canada.

killa closing speeds

When I had my A I did not want to jump with other A's... I knew how flaky I still was and did not want to compound that .... 

I'm surprised Spaceland Dallas let ya get away with this...especially out of the owners King Air!

N420DZ comes back as a Cessna 208, not a KA.

18 hours ago, Phillbo said:

When I had my A I did not want to jump with other A's... I knew how flaky I still was and did not want to compound that .... 

two of the 4 jumpers are A's with between 50 to 100 jumps, moving to B's, one jumper has enough for his C and the other jumper is a coach with a D.
We weren't all A license holders and had 2 experienced jumpers and a coach with us.

@jumpsracer - get away with what?  I am confused - no rules were broken on my part or as far as I can tell on anybody's part.
Also that is not a King Air - it's a Caravan.

22 minutes ago, billvon said:

A skydive with a larger than average risk of being a disaster.  From the video I saw four things that were dangerous happening in one dive, all of which could have easily been avoided.

We've all been on dives where there were problems; one guy who decides to sitfly, or one guy who went so low he was hard to see on breakoff, or one guy who could simply not control his closing speed and came screaming in to grips.  Or a planned belly exit that suddenly becomes a head down, or a very poorly timed exit.  Those things happen, and you learn from them.  On this dive, though, all that stuff happened at once.  To me that would be a screaming warning sign to fix the problems before they contribute to a much bigger problem (freefall collision, or freefall/canopy collision.)

I do not understand the "getting away" part here.
Makes it sound as if any of this was planned.
What exactly did anybody get away with?   Get away from what?  
@jumpsracer clearly words it as if I or anybody else broke dropzone rules, which I ALWAYS respect.

We tracked away from each other and jump run at 5500ft - we were all level - no one was out of line of sight, it should be easy to tell from the video.
We all had eye contact with each other and had an even level separation.
You can actually see us all catching up to the sitflier at the 1:00 minute mark just before track and pull, who is belly up and sees us.
I did not see any one else go head down past the first 500ft post exit either - (besides the freeflyer).
The whole exit was jacked up, which this video was posted to demonstrate.

I am not going to argue about the poor exit and the sitflying by one of the jumpers, which were both pointed out by our coach on debrief.
This jump did NOT go as planned what so ever and I am all for learning from my and other peoples errors.

I thought it was very funny.
If I said anything else, id be lying and I'm just not that type.

At no point did any of us feel that our safety or the safety of others was being put in jeopardy.
We had altitude awareness and put a ton of distance between one another. 
What we did agree on is that the jump was a mess and very funny and that the sitflier should have gone belly like the rest of us instead of pulling his own gig or just jumped on his own.

As for the camera man, he did an excellent job checking for traffic right when he was hitting the clouds, knowing that his vision would be limited, however it was strictly a precautionary move and I do the same with bigger group jumps, especially when there is partial cloud coverage.  He did not have any real concern.  We ALL had perfect eye contact for the whole second part of the free fall and had a textbook break off:

I am sure you will be happy to hear that me had much better jumps following this hilarious mess.

1 hour ago, raphaelistics said:

I thought it was very funny.
If I said anything else, id be lying and I'm just not that type.

At no point did any of us feel that our safety or the safety of others was being put in jeopardy.
What we did agree on is that the jump was a mess and very funny.

Raphael, you should consider the profiles of people trying to give you advice before arguing with them. You've got a couple highly experienced people with instructor ratings trying to up your survival quotient. I agree with everything billvon is trying to tell you. I would add...

1 hour ago, billvon said:

At about 0:40 a guy comes screaming in from the side.  If he had been closer and hit someone, you could wind up with an unconscious skydiver...

If he had hit someone, they could both be dead. Even with successful AAD fires. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's seen that happen.

That this happened is a learning experience. That you find it funny and argue about it is chilling.

3 hours ago, raphaelistics said:

I thought it was very funny.
If I said anything else, id be lying and I'm just not that type.

Brother, you just got FREE great advice from one that many of us consider one of the best on the planet. There's a reason he's been a load organizer for a long time and giving debriefs afterwards. We're talking bigly way shit. Learn & live.  

Bottom line? Sure, you had fun and no one got hurt. So you posted the vid here thinking you were sharing something funny. Now you are finding out that most experienced jumpers don’t really see anything funny at all. Lesson learned? Well...... one of them should be that video of a dive going to shit is not something to be proud of. But it can be a way to learn what not to do. 

So so now you know a little more than you did before.

14 hours ago, raphaelistics said:

At no point did any of us feel that our safety or the safety of others was being put in jeopardy.

You need to recalibrate your safety feels. Objectively, that was a significantly more dangerous jump than it should have been.

I know a former AFF instructor who got a kick to the neck on exit. Broke it. Don't know how he managed to do the rest of the skydive and land safely. He will never jump again.  All because the exit went to shit.

I know several people who have suffered shoulder injuries from funneled exits.

Freefall and canopy collisions while in a cloud have happened.  I believe that is one reason why there is both an FAR and a BSR that require a minimum distance from clouds. 

Shit happens.  Because it didn't happen on that jump does not mean it was a safe skydive. 

You can continue to try to justify what happened or you can choose to listen and learn from highly experienced people who have seen shit and don't want it to happen to anyone else.

I hope you choose the latter option. 

On 7/6/2019 at 1:48 PM, skybytch said:

I know a former AFF instructor who got a kick to the neck on exit. Broke it. Don't know how he managed to do the rest of the skydive and land safely. He will never jump again.  All because the exit went to shit.

I know several people who have suffered shoulder injuries from funneled exits.

Freefall and canopy collisions while in a cloud have happened.  I believe that is one reason why there is both an FAR and a BSR that require a minimum distance from clouds. 

Shit happens.  Because it didn't happen on that jump does not mean it was a safe skydive. 

You can continue to try to justify what happened or you can choose to listen and learn from highly experienced people who have seen shit and don't want it to happen to anyone else.

I hope you choose the latter option. 

 

 

 

At no point did I say this was a safe skydive or a successful one.
The word FAIL is in the title for a reason.
This was not a text-book skydive either.
I am sure the people who screwed up, knew they did something wrong.
I can not correct their mistakes.
However I know and have met countless jumpers who made scary mistakes but laugh about it later on.

Laughing about it does not necessarily signify that some one supports or encourages or intends on repeating the act such in this case.
The footage has been shown to coaches and instructors and indeed mistakes were pointed out just as they were pointed out on here, however most everyone got out a giggle.

As mentioned, the vast majority of things pointed out were not ME - but other jumpers.
I can not speak on their behalf - screw ups happen - dumb things happen - sometimes they can be funny.

On 7/7/2019 at 8:54 PM, raphaelistics said:

At no point did I say this was a safe skydive or a successful one.
The word FAIL is in the title for a reason.
This was not a text-book skydive either.
I am sure the people who screwed up, knew they did something wrong.
I can not correct their mistakes.
However I know and have met countless jumpers who made scary mistakes but laugh about it later on.

Laughing about it does not necessarily signify that some one supports or encourages or intends on repeating the act such in this case.
The footage has been shown to coaches and instructors and indeed mistakes were pointed out just as they were pointed out on here, however most everyone got out a giggle.

As mentioned, the vast majority of things pointed out were not ME - but other jumpers.
I can not speak on their behalf - screw ups happen - dumb things happen - sometimes they can be funny.

It seems to me that everyone who has been in this sport for a certain period of time has known someone who has gone in or otherwise been injured, whether critically or minor.  When the old guard tells us young pups that we done messed up, it's definitely worth listening to and taking under serious consideration.  At the end of the day, however, we're all licensed skydivers and can make our own decisions.  The main thing to remember is that we're all one community.  When one of us does something stupid and gets hurt, it affects everyone.  Nobody wants to see one of our own go in or get hurt, and a secondary consequence is that if we fail to regulate ourselves, the FAA will do it for us.  Nobody wants that. 

So, I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with the guys who are giving you pointers.  They're doing it for the right reasons.  I reacted a similar way a couple weeks ago to someone who delivered the same kind of advice, although in a much less political way.  After I thought about it for a while, I realized he had the best intentions at heart and I should have just taken it in stride and made the best decisions I could make after considering all available information.  You don't have to try to defend anything.  And these guys aren't giving you the "bowling" talk.  They're just making sure to pass some knowledge on to you from their experience so that maybe you have to see one less friend get hurt or killed in the future.  Just think on it, and maybe just let them have the last word(s).