mathrick 2 #476 December 6, 2015 How though? It's not obvious, and you asserting so doesn't make it any more obvious to people who didn't get it before."Skydivers are highly emotional people. They get all excited about their magical black box full of mysterious life saving forces." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
propblast 0 #477 December 7, 2015 I don't know honestly. Hey who was the pilot of that plane in the video? I'm curious.Propblast Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyosha 50 #478 December 8, 2015 I'm also going to leave this here... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sussex+Airport/@41.2011662,-74.624423,660m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!1m3!3m2!1s0x89c3402748711e45:0x147502bc21940198!2sSussex+Airport!3m1!1s0x89c3402748711e45:0x147502bc21940198!6m1!1e1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE1375 0 #479 December 8, 2015 Rich Winstock getting radical ladies and gentleman. He sure looks proud of another accomplishment.10,000 jumps, with a log for every single jump. Unlike some USPA National Directors with 14,750 Fake jumps with the flying skills to prove they are fake jumps.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,145 #480 December 8, 2015 BASE1375 Rich Winstock getting radical ladies and gentleman. He sure looks proud of another accomplishment. http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20141205X80248&ntsbno=ERA15LA071&akey=1 Not pilot error according to the final report. I've heard his canopy flying habits are not so great though.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyosha 50 #481 December 8, 2015 gowlerk ***Rich Winstock getting radical ladies and gentleman. He sure looks proud of another accomplishment. http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20141205X80248&ntsbno=ERA15LA071&akey=1 Not pilot error according to the final report. I've heard his canopy flying habits are not so great though. I'm no NTSB but that video starts with the airplane flying 100-200 feet over the airport runway (I linked the google maps to the airport, check out the buildings). Considering the airplane lost power at 1000 feet, I think the pilot could have not overshot the runway by as much. He also could have let the skydivers bail... Someone here brought up concerns about the pilot forging his logs to give himself more flying time than he actually had. If that is true, then perhaps if he had more experience he would have landed on the runway and not stalled out the airplane over a tree line and swooped into a ditch. Then again, I'm no NTSB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 420 #482 December 8, 2015 lyosha Considering the airplane lost power at 1000 feet, I think the pilot could have not overshot the runway by as much. He also could have let the skydivers bail... Bailing at a grand for an engine out wouldn't be considered a best practice by anyone I know.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,486 #483 December 8, 2015 chuckakers*** Considering the airplane lost power at 1000 feet, I think the pilot could have not overshot the runway by as much. He also could have let the skydivers bail... Bailing at a grand for an engine out wouldn't be considered a best practice by anyone I know. And if the engine fails at a grand, then by the time the situation is recognized, people decide what to do, get ready to jump, open the door, ect, ect, ect, then the altitude will be a lot less."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,145 #484 December 8, 2015 QuoteIf that is true, then perhaps if he had more experience he would have landed on the runway and not stalled out the airplane over a tree line and swooped into a ditch. Pilots who lose power and attempt to return to the departure runway have killed many people trying. Say what you want about this guy and his many shortcomings, but he appears to have handled this situation as well as anyone could.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 744 #485 December 8, 2015 What is STA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikl68 6 #486 December 8, 2015 Ok so the pilot of the video is the former S&TA/director that lies and klobbers spectators by ill advised swoops which i do not support, but like gowlerk said in this situation which any pilot could find themselves in IMO he did ok. All passengers lived. Exiting at 1000 ft in an engine out emergency is also not a smart idea as stated in a previous post for many reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickendiver 6 #487 December 8, 2015 NTSB report stated that his altitude was 800-900' AGL. IMHO, the only survivable action would be to do exactly what he did. An attempted 180 back to the runway would likely have resulted in a fiery crash. Hitting the trees is also not a good plan. At that altitude & airspeed (just above stall speed) & near max gross weight, finding a place to land somewhere in front of you is the only viable option. One thing that did stand out to me in the NTSB report was the cause of engine failure. The intake valve springs on #2 cylinder had visible pitting & corrosion on them and had fractured. This should have been caught on at least one of the last few 100 hour inspections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #488 December 8, 2015 RickendiverNTSB report stated that his altitude was 800-900' AGL. IMHO, the only survivable action would be to do exactly what he did. An attempted 180 back to the runway would likely have resulted in a fiery crash. Hitting the trees is also not a good plan. At that altitude & airspeed (just above stall speed) & near max gross weight, finding a place to land somewhere in front of you is the only viable option. One thing that did stand out to me in the NTSB report was the cause of engine failure. The intake valve springs on #2 cylinder had visible pitting & corrosion on them and had fractured. This should have been caught on at least one of the last few 100 hour inspections. So... piss poor maintenance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,145 #489 December 8, 2015 QuoteSo... piss poor maintenance. There was a deficiency in the maintenance. The report does not address who was responsible for that. Other than the AME performing the inspection. It's hard to say if Winstock bears any blame for that without knowing the maintenance arrangements. But probably he does not. More likely he is the victim.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 744 #490 December 8, 2015 He has become quite the victim here as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnhking1 91 #491 December 8, 2015 During an annual / 100 hour inspection, the rocker covers are not normally removed. If the compression was low, you may do a bore scope inspection and possibly remove the rocker cover to find the cause. If the compression was good, (at the last inspection) there would be no need to remove the cover. Everything under the cover is covered in oil and it is unlikely anything would rust. Maybe the springs had rust pits when installed and springs fail for other reasons also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickendiver 6 #492 December 8, 2015 From the NTSB report: The fractured inner and outer intake valve springs from the number 2 cylinder were subsequently examined by investigators. Both springs showed fatigue fractures originating from rust pits on the surfaces. A review of the engine maintenance logbooks revealed that a 100 hour/annual inspection was completed on October 14, 2014, at 7,857.8 hours tachometer time. About 13 hours of operating time had accrued since the last inspection of October 14. About 1,501 hours had accumulated on the engine since its last major overhaul. According to the engine manufacturer's operating manual, under the 100-hour inspection procedures, it states, "Remove valve rocker covers, and inspect visible parts of the valve mechanism for breakage and lack of lubrication. All parts should be covered with oil." Per Continental, TBO on an IO470-S is 1500 hrs or 12 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnhking1 91 #493 December 8, 2015 I stand corrected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites