Mikki_ZH 0 #51 April 3, 2012 Quote an other thing came to my mind: How about the legal aspects of the jump? I don't know the UK local laws but as far as I know you may not drop heavy objects (includes persons) without parachutes in any ICAO country. If he exits with a parachute and does not pull - wouldn't that call for the BPA to complain? In my eyes the speeds quoted are just not realistic and even if they were you still have to hit the boxes (with the expected low speeds he has a window of unter 2 sec. to hit) and if you hit it - 50mph forward is fast and the wrong direction for the card-box concept... To be honest: I deeply hope this is just a big hoax! I'm sure the complain is not one of his main concerns :-) He did a lot of test flights with his wingsuits during the last couple of weeks and he was jumping with 2 flysights. During his practice jumps he aimed at a target and tried to flare the suit as much as possible, that's how he got the speed data. I'm pretty sure it is not an 1.st of April joke and not a hoax. I think it is still a very dangerous project and I wish him al the best for it. And yes, this is a wingsuit landing, no question about that. And I like this kind of project much more than the one that has been talked about for years and did not happen yet. We heard about this about 2 month ago and it is about to happen.Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #52 April 3, 2012 Quote In my eyes the speeds quoted are just not realistic and even if they were you still have to hit the boxes (with the expected low speeds he has a window of unter 2 sec. to hit) and if you hit it - 50mph forward is fast and the wrong direction for the card-box concept... To be honest: I deeply hope this is just a big hoax! Unsure AFAIK several early "birdman" died with solid wings in parachuting. Did anyone believe that someone could fly with wings like a hamster? Fly hamster wings as a "normal" skydive, not a stunt? He can be a candidate for Darwin award in the worst case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #53 April 3, 2012 QuoteSurvivable and walkable away from are two different things, think of the wingsuit into water at Bridge day and the outcome there. The comparison is apples and oranges. MUCH bigger suit with training and intentionality, and some impact experience. However, I'm not entirely convinced it can be accomplished this way. Power to Gary and his team! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #54 April 3, 2012 QuoteI still hope for the hoax - I don't think this is survivable! I agree with you. Who lands on boxes head first?But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linas120 0 #55 April 3, 2012 Quote To be honest: I deeply hope this is just a big hoax! It is not a hoax. In my view, "magic ramp" is a real hoax. Just noticed that someone asked Gary about BPA & CAA permissions on his facebook wall. It will be interesting to hear his explanation. As far as I know, they are planning to build a box rig this Friday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #56 April 3, 2012 Yup, this seems way more real and doable than the ramp idea. No offense to jeb, but for the last what, 5 years, maybe more, weve heard "i need more money, we are developing a secret technology", this guy is like, "fuck, lets just stack up a bunch of boxes, ill land in it", and a couple of months later its happening. Sure hope it works, and all those speed numbers seem realistic to me, just will be hard to judge the distance. Anyone know if hes wearing a base rig for backup? Pack slider down, you could bail at 200 ft and still be relatively ok. Just remember, if you cant be safe, be spectacular. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #57 April 3, 2012 QuoteYup, this seems way more real and doable than the ramp idea. No offense to jeb, but for the last what, 5 years, maybe more, weve heard "i need more money, we are developing a secret technology", this guy is like, "fuck, lets just stack up a bunch of boxes, ill land in it", and a couple of months later its happening. Sure hope it works, and all those speed numbers seem realistic to me, just will be hard to judge the distance. Anyone know if hes wearing a base rig for backup? Pack slider down, you could bail at 200 ft and still be relatively ok. Just remember, if you cant be safe, be spectacular. Slider up would be fine. 200' is well below a realistic "decision altitude" But i'm mostly responding so this thread comes up in my "my posts" page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf62 0 #58 April 3, 2012 If the met is favourable, it will happen this Friday. http://www.bremont.com/briefing-room/bremont-wingman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #59 April 3, 2012 Quote He did a lot of test flights with his wingsuits during the last couple of weeks and he was jumping with 2 flysights. During his practice jumps he aimed at a target and tried to flare the suit as much as possible, that's how he got the speed data. Did he also go foetal 5 feet above the target or roll into his back or however he is going to enter the boxes during these tests?Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #60 April 3, 2012 I asked Gary to share the FlySight data on his FB page, but he seems pretty sure that he can fly it, hit it, and roll over on his back into it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnmatrix 21 #61 April 3, 2012 I just hope he's not using those thumb loop cutaway mods. Saw this poll too... I voted for the top option. :) http://www.anonvote.com/poll.php?id=a11781612C Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #62 April 3, 2012 The speeds mentioned seem plausible to me. He's a professional stuntman so I'm sure he is well used to working that kind of stuff out and doesn't need armchair critics analysing the data at the 11th hour, or giving him legal advice I reckon his chance of succeeding with only minor injuries is quite good. Best of luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #63 April 4, 2012 Quote The speeds mentioned seem plausible to me. He's a professional stuntman so I'm sure he is well used to working that kind of stuff out and doesn't need armchair critics analysing the data at the 11th hour, or giving him legal advice I reckon his chance of succeeding with only minor injuries is quite good. Best of luck! Well said.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifell 0 #64 April 4, 2012 http://www.bremont.com/briefing-room/bremont-wingman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 61 #65 April 4, 2012 http://www.bremont.com/assets/files/Bremont_Wingman.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #66 April 4, 2012 I don't have much confidence that the man is going to be able to pitch his head and torso above the horizontal plane sufficiently prior to touchdown, but I wish him the BEST of luck in his endeavor. Seriously. If he doesn't snap his neck and can walk away from this then I am going to shake my head in amazement and yell "FUCK YEAH!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #67 April 4, 2012 QuoteIf he doesn't snap his neck It's alright, he's going to wear a neck brace. I wonder how this will affect his ability to go foetal?Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #68 April 4, 2012 Quote The speeds mentioned seem plausible to me. He's a professional stuntman so I'm sure he is well used to working that kind of stuff out and doesn't need armchair critics analysing the data at the 11th hour, or giving him legal advice I reckon his chance of succeeding with only minor injuries is quite good. Best of luck! Maybe he doesn't need people analyzing the data, but it sure is fun to look at. Gary shared a jump from a few days ago. As someone else said, it's incredible he's gonna attempt this with just a few months in the wingsuit vs others who have claimed their intent. In my book, Stoney will always have the first, tho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtholmes 0 #69 April 4, 2012 Through a mutual friend and the hype around this effort, I have become a fan of Gary. I hope that he has thought of every variable and that he clambers out of the boxes smiling. Staying curiously tuned... Good luck Gary! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #70 April 4, 2012 QuoteIf the met is favourable, it will happen this Friday. http://www.bremont.com/briefing-room/bremont-wingman From Gary's Twitter feed, Quotefor weather reasons, jump is not on this weekSkydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 278 #71 April 4, 2012 I'm curious whether he'll go for a windy day, which would reduce ground speed somewhat (and kinetic energy, even more). More turbulence, shear, and speed variation is typical if it gets very windy though. A place with a good steady breeze wouldn't be bad. In any case, he does seem to have significant box landing experience as a stuntman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #72 April 4, 2012 QuoteI'm curious whether he'll go for a windy day, Sorry, I should have quoted the rest of the tweet where he says, Quotebe looking for good weather window, please all do sun dance, and no wind dance cheers So it appears not.Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fergs 0 #73 April 4, 2012 Gary has my total respect and admiration. I certainly look forward to seeing his successful landing. He has put in meticulous planning and training for this project. Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahtingo41 0 #74 April 5, 2012 what about crash LANDINGS? it counts in my book...but my book doesnt really have anything, Im excited for Jebs too though I giant ramps everywhere for a "air" park sounds like a terrible idea whats the actual date for this one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 3 #75 April 5, 2012 If he lives to jump again, he will change the future.....20 yrs from now every high class drop zone will have a swoop pond AND a big pit full of cardboard boxes for their wingsuiters..... Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites