jtval 0 #26 March 11, 2012 Quote Quote I under stand what you're all saying. We don't normally crash land into some sort of pillow, cushion, or airbag. That's just what this seems to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYlil2qIhpA IF you (not so much YOU, Twardo)have ever seen the "right way" to land on an acc tuffet, you would definitely understand the "CRASH LANDING" idea. I'm not personally attached to any of the players trying to land the wing suit. I met Jeb at Perris in October while he ws practicing of the china dive. He seems like a very cool down to earth guy, who just could not stand still. But, if ANYONE lands a wingsuit, I hope it is done properly and safely enough to walk away from. As an jumper and wingsuiter. I am both excited and scared for anyone who tries. I hope is that they don't end up being a "pioneer." That's what they call dead people in our sport years after they tried and failed.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linas120 0 #27 March 11, 2012 QuoteI don't get how this is "landing". It's a stunt from a decent altitude into cardboard boxes. IMO, that ain't landing. In both case they are planning to use some kind of structure for decelerating the wingsuiter to a survivable speed. Whether it is a ramp or a rig of boxes - it does not matter much. In my view, both cases could be considered as landing. How do you define landing - flapping wings couple times and landing on a branch of a tree? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #28 March 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteI don't get how this is "landing". It's a stunt from a decent altitude into cardboard boxes. IMO, that ain't landing. In both case they are planning to use some kind of structure for decelerating the wingsuiter to a survivable speed. Whether it is a ramp or a rig of boxes - it does not matter much. In my view, both cases could be considered as landing. How do you define landing - flapping wings couple times and landing on a branch of a tree? I always wondered if that guy scooting the ski slope couldn't have touched down and walked away. Yeah you would have to be really certain the surface was smooth and maybe a neck brace of some kind...but THAT almost seemed do-able. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #29 March 12, 2012 Landing into cardboard boxes has already been done in BASE but not in a wingsuit from altitude. A couple of hundred feet is pretty impressive though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB4QH4Y3Yj8Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #30 March 12, 2012 Quote Quote Bottom line if it is repeatble it is a landing with a landing area (no different to a jet) if not, it is a crash (kind of like table mountain ) A lot of pilots call a good landing simply a "controlled crash". on aircraft carriers especiallyYou stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,890 #31 March 12, 2012 Quote How do you define landing - flapping wings couple times and landing on a branch of a tree? I would definitely define that as a landing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
primetime 18 #32 March 23, 2012 What about the British guy during WWII that bailed out of his Lancaster bomber without a rig and lived to tell the tale? Doesn't he get Chuteless Landing #1? Devils advocate: should Gary and/or Jeb make their jump without a rig? The lower exit weight would actually increase their odds of survival... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aeroflyer 0 #33 March 23, 2012 More angles and better video on the guy who jumped 150 feet off a cliff into cardboard boxes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px3FCk3zjRw&annotation_id=annotation_467727&src_vid=n7PxuTk4vPs&feature=iv He is well on his way to getting the first CARDBOARD BASE number! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #34 March 23, 2012 Already done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYW5G2kbrKk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #35 March 23, 2012 Quote Already done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYW5G2kbrKk Nice, so tomorrow I can walk on the surface on moon too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aeroflyer 0 #36 March 28, 2012 Quote Already done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYW5G2kbrKk As a past reader of wingsuit news, I think Jarno's behind it.. hahaha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linas120 0 #37 March 29, 2012 Gary in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPaEuYSiqBk&feature=share Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,890 #38 March 29, 2012 "Landing" on a slope is done all the time by ski jumpers. Meh. "Landing" on a crash pad or pile of boxes doesn't fit my idea of what a landing is. Landing on a branch of a tree is for the birds. IMO, a real landing involves a controlled termination of the jump on a horizontal land surface, without injury. Will it be done next month? Probably it will always be "next month".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 278 #39 March 30, 2012 Personal opinion is that I'd allow landing on a slope or crash pad or giant lemon meringue pie as a "landing". Flying into a giant vertical net, maybe less of a "landing" although it would still be a feat. Beyond that, it would be another big step to land on a horizontal, non-shock absorbing surface. That would be a much higher level of landing ability. Celebrating the first as a big achievement doesn't mean one can't later celebrate the second as an even bigger achievement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 61 #40 April 2, 2012 Article and photos attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,890 #41 April 2, 2012 QuoteArticle and photos attached. At what point does it cease being a wingsuit and become a parachute with a person inside?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtbox 0 #42 April 3, 2012 Don't we call modern ram air parachutes a wing? and if it was worn wouldn't it be a wing-suit..wingsuit? :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 137 #43 April 3, 2012 QuoteArticle and photos attached.That was in Sunday's papers. Sunday, first day of April ...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 61 #44 April 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteArticle and photos attached.That was in Sunday's papers. Sunday, first day of April ... No, no, he has been talking about it for few monthis, and on April 2nd he wrote on his FB that the boxes are being delivered and that he needs help to build the landing strip this coming Friday. Also, a big company is sponsoring him. Sounds real to me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #45 April 3, 2012 Is there anyone who has the feeling that the speeds mentioned in that article are even close to realistic?For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #46 April 3, 2012 an other thing came to my mind: How about the legal aspects of the jump? I don't know the UK local laws but as far as I know you may not drop heavy objects (includes persons) without parachutes in any ICAO country. If he exits with a parachute and does not pull - wouldn't that call for the BPA to complain? In my eyes the speeds quoted are just not realistic and even if they were you still have to hit the boxes (with the expected low speeds he has a window of unter 2 sec. to hit) and if you hit it - 50mph forward is fast and the wrong direction for the card-box concept... To be honest: I deeply hope this is just a big hoax! For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,890 #47 April 3, 2012 QuoteDon't we call modern ram air parachutes a wing? I call mine a "parachute" or "canopy". I belong to USPA, not USWA... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #48 April 3, 2012 Quotean other thing came to my mind: How about the legal aspects of the jump? I don't know the UK local laws but as far as I know you may not drop heavy objects (includes persons) without parachutes in any ICAO country. If he exits with a parachute and does not pull - wouldn't that call for the BPA to complain? It is my understanding that he has or will get an exemption from the CAA to undertake the stunt, so it is nothing to do with the BPA, practically at least.Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #49 April 3, 2012 I still hope for the hoax - I don't think this is survivable!For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer 11 #50 April 3, 2012 Survivable and walkable away from are two different things, think of the wingsuit into water at Bridge day and the outcome there.Dont just talk about it, Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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