hookitt 1 #176 August 6, 2016 321QuoteNone of the conspiracy theorists have managed to come up with a real reason for why he might actually have worn one. If there had been a pattern of practice jumps / approaches to the net that were often fouled by sudden, unexpected changes in winds aloft, it might inspire a hidden rig. But it's my understanding that wasn't the case, and the last 81 of 82 practice jumps he was dead center on the net. And as we know, jump 83 went very well! I don't think he had a hidden rig. But would not blame him if he did. He is a father. He did not have one.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical_flyer 0 #177 August 6, 2016 sundevil777Another similar, but with parachute stunt that would be cool - to get out high and freefall through the opening of the sinkhole "cave of swallows" in the Mexican jungle. 200 ft wide opening, over 1200 ft deep. Didn't they do that in Point Break (2015)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #178 August 6, 2016 Michael, I read over Part 105 several times and it looks like you are right. It doesn’t say anywhere that a jumper MUST wear a rig. It says that if a single-harness, dual-parachute system is used it must conform. It sounds to me you could use a single canopy base rig and be legal. I am surprised the feds didn’t catch this on the last re-write.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #179 August 7, 2016 grue***I'm trying to determine how difficult this stunt is. We know it's brave (or stupid), but how hard is it? Assuming the spot is good, could any competent skydiver guide into a spot 100'x100' on the ground, or does it require much more skill than that? How would we test/practice if we could do it, without killing ourselves? It'd be about the same as flying through a 90-way round formation on their belly when you're in a head-down dive, in theory. Responding to this post very late in the game... Your assessment leaves out one critical component: wind. Another poster mentioned aiming at a cloud in freefall, and that poster also makes the same mistake. (Incidentally, confusing airspeed with groundspeed is probably one of the most common mixups I see even experienced jumpers make... this confusion is to blame for the misguided "45 degree" exit rule and also for many misconceptions about swooping in high winds). Both a cloud, and a group of other jumpers, are in the same air mass as you. But the ground is not. I would imagine one of Luke's biggest concerns was wind. A lot of posts have commented on how wind could be a concern in terms of spot, i.e. getting to the target from exit altitude. But none that I've seen have mentioned the considerations of wind while on final approach to the target. Ask yourself: can you side slide at X mph? Backslide? Track? Obviously, you are most powerful, and therefore most likely to be able to negate any wind effects, while in a forward slide, i.e. track. Which explains why many people commented about noticing Luke doing some small tracking maneuvers in the last moments of his freefall. My guess: he wasn't tracking because he was off center. He was tracking to maintain center. Probably, a big part of the planning was knowing what direction the wind would be, and making sure that his intended approach had him headfirst into that wind, so while on final approach the only corrections he would need to make would be small track inputs to cancel out whatever wind was trying to push him backwards. The larger point I'm making though, is thinking about it in those terms makes the entire stunt seem less trivial. Sure, any experienced jumper could probably freefall through a 100x100ft window in the airmass that they're already in. But, when you think about the fact that if you're aiming at a target on the ground, any wind (even a small one) is your mortal enemy, constantly trying to push you off target... it sounds a LOT scarier.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #180 August 7, 2016 mjosparky There was a PARACHUTE JUMP happening during Luke’s jump. There were at least three other jumpers wearing rigs with the intent of using them. Not sure what this means.....any thoughts? Yes, there was a parachute jump happening. He was not part of that jump, since he did not have a parachute. His proximity to it is of no regard. If I walk through a basketball court while a game is happening, it does not mean I was playing basketball. If the basketball players were drinking beer, and I was also drinking beer while walking through, I was a part of the beer drinking event. There was also a skydive happening. He was a part of the skydive. It's not really that complicated, I am not sure how there is any confusion: 4 jumpers made a skydive together 3 of them made a parachute jump 1 of them did some shit so badass it's not even accounted for by the FAA books yet If it's still not clear, there is a Venn diagram attached. [inline venn.png]www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,325 #181 August 7, 2016 Hi 111, Quotea Venn diagram attached I would change that as follows: 1. Change 'Luke' to 'Luke jumped without a parachute' 2. Change 'made a parachute jumo' to '3 guys jumped using parachutes' 3. Change the center overlap from '3 other dudes' to '4 people made a skydive' Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #182 August 7, 2016 JerryBaumchenHi 111, Quotea Venn diagram attached I would change that as follows: 1. Change 'Luke' to 'Luke jumped without a parachute' 2. Change 'made a parachute jumo' to '3 guys jumped using parachutes' 3. Change the center overlap from '3 other dudes' to '4 people made a skydive' Jerry Baumchen That's not how Venn diagrams work at all. In a Venn diagram, a circle represents set membership. If two circles intersect, it implies that something is a member of both sets. You are suggesting that I make the left circle "people who jumped without parachutes" and the right circle "people who jumped with parachutes." If I do that, then (a) the circles won't overlap at all, since it is logically impossible to be a member of both of those sets simultaneously (i.e. to both jump with and without a parachute) and (b) it would not illustrate the point I was trying to make, which was that everybody made a skydive, despite not everybody making a parachute jump. My diagram does make your final point: all 4 people made a skydive (this is why all 4 people are inside the left circle).www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,325 #183 August 7, 2016 Hi 111, You are correct. My mistake, I made a wrong assumption on this: the circles won't overlap at all Thanks for the clarification. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #184 August 7, 2016 JerryBaumchen You are correct. My mistake, I made a wrong assumption on this: the circles won't overlap at all Thanks for the clarification. No worries, I had to sit down and rethink it all again to make sure I was not mistaken either. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 278 #185 August 7, 2016 The111 I would imagine one of Luke's biggest concerns was wind. A lot of posts have commented on how wind could be a concern in terms of spot, While it all should be obvious, it's good you pointed it out about the maneuvering relative the ground. If he does have a light system that points straight up, he wants to maneuver straight above and stay there. Which might mean, for example tracking 25 kt into a 25 kt wind from 270 at 9000', changing to 15 kt from 300 at 3000', changing to 5 kt at 000 in the last thousand feet. You just wouldn't want some messy day with 50kt uppers, 25 kts at 1500', dying off somewhere in between to zero at the ground (or a shear layer with 10 kts with a 180 degree dog leg at the ground). At least a freefaller has a high wing loading so to speak so won't instantly drift fully with a wind change. So there's some nicely graduated tracking there, backsliding aggressively if overshooting, maybe some hard sideslide adjustment, and hopefully only a little gradual heading change. (I haven't the historical winds aloft forecast for that day, time, and place to see what he really had to deal with.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmarshall234 13 #186 August 7, 2016 >But none that I've seen have mentioned the considerations of wind while on final approach to the target. I have been wondering about this. I noticed in the video that at what would have been ~ 3000 ft AGL he goes into a pretty aggressive track for about 5 or 6 seconds. I wonder if he was compensating for some pretty good wind shear or was he simply getting back on target? I suspect the former. And, your point about him needing to be faced into the forecasted wind direction is spot-on. Ha! pun intended. I also wonder why he didn't wear booties. I agree that this was a pretty bad-ass stunt but Maaann....was it risky. His instinctive double roll back towards the center of the net indicates to me that he realized how thin the margin was. Still, kudos to him for having pulled it off. Not sure he would ever want to try it again though. I'm looking forward to hearing the Skydive Radio interview. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeAikins 0 #187 August 7, 2016 I promise you I did not wear a rig. The first handle check in the plane when I got on my knees was 100% legit. Jon DeVore started laughing and shook his head saying no you don't. The handle check in free fall was an inside joke to the skydivers of the world. (I had no idea it would start a conspiracy theory which I love by the way) I had a mountain bike back protector on under my suit. The rig drama was real but I had my mind made up before I got in the plane and never got any info that the union had backed off. It would have been unsafe to land on the rig.(Notice the rig was off way before the show caught on) Thanks for having my back. I never check in here but wanted to see what fellow skydivers thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeAikins 0 #188 August 7, 2016 You get it! Luke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #189 August 8, 2016 Have you considered testicle reduction surgery? It's gotta be tough walking with those after a while? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #190 August 8, 2016 I never doubted you. I was trying to make some money off the jump but couldn’t get anyone to take the bet. The naysayers before the jump really started to piss me off. After the jump “wearing a rig” crap started. I kept thinking can’t they just be happy for the guy and STFU. The bottom line is you did it. Good on you.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagleeye 0 #191 August 8, 2016 Congatulations Luke!! I saw the photo of the net imprints on your back. Have you thought about getting those marks permanently tattooed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 61 #192 August 8, 2016 LukeAikinsI promise you I did not wear a rig. The first handle check in the plane when I got on my knees was 100% legit. Jon DeVore started laughing and shook his head saying no you don't. The handle check in free fall was an inside joke to the skydivers of the world. (I had no idea it would start a conspiracy theory which I love by the way) I had a mountain bike back protector on under my suit. The rig drama was real but I had my mind made up before I got in the plane and never got any info that the union had backed off. It would have been unsafe to land on the rig.(Notice the rig was off way before the show caught on) Thanks for having my back. I never check in here but wanted to see what fellow skydivers thought. Did you have a harness under your suit (like a climbing harness) to hook up to one of the other skydivers (in case of really bad spot, or sudden strong upper winds)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,486 #193 August 9, 2016 Thanks for setting the record straight. Absolutely amazing stunt. I do have one question, though. Rook asked it during the film fest at SDC Summerfest: How in the world did you convince your wife?"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #194 August 9, 2016 wolfriverjoe How in the world did you convince your wife? It hasn't been mentioned much, but his wife, whom Vskydiver and I have had the pleasure of knowing for years, is a very experienced skydiver herself, including AFF ratings, video work, etc. She and Luke are familiar with stunt work, and she's seen, more than anyone, all the research, preparation and practice that went into this project. She knew, like the rest of us, that if Luke says he can do it, he can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 0 #195 August 9, 2016 This all reminds me of an anecdote an older skydiving friend told me. The Burt Lancaster film "Gypsy Moths" had just come out, and my friend and a bunch of skydivers went to see it at the theater. When the guy in the wingsuit bounces at an airshow --thumps-in dead-center in front of the spectators -- the theater audience got quiet. Then out of the silence a fellow skydiver in the theater shouted out "great spot!" :o Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon26 0 #196 August 10, 2016 Well done on pulling it off! I must admit, the practice pull made me question if there was a rig under there just-in-case. But anyone who watched the post-jump footage could clearly see you didn't have a rig on. When you hugged your misses is when i knew you definitely weren't wearing a rig and realised it was a nod and a wink to the skydivers who were paying attention. I was wondering also, was there much wind around that day? Was the timing of the jump planned around the presence/lack-of thermal activity? And, sorry, someon'es got to ask, would you do it again? (not that your misses will let you anyway!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbac 0 #197 September 13, 2016 Hi, You can listen to Luke Aikins interview (with me) on Radio Skydive UK Episode 36. www.radioskydive.uk/episode-36 It's his first interview with the skydiving media and he gets to tell the story his way. Part two is in Ep37 due out just after the 20th Sept. blue 'uns Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SethInMI 160 #198 September 13, 2016 Luke's interview starts at the 53:30 mark in the podcast.It's flare not flair, brakes not breaks, bridle not bridal, "could NOT care less" not "could care less". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,589 #199 October 3, 2016 POV video posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTTOnvvEpn0"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbac 0 #200 October 11, 2016 Part 2 of the interview is out now. http://radioskydive.co.uk/episode-37 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites