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SIGMA TANDEM SYSTEM OWNER’S MANUAL

SIGMA TANDEM “PIN CHECK”

Back of Rig - Top Down

1. Look through window in the yoke and check the Cypres.
2. Open reserve pin cover, check that the yellow breakaway cable is threaded through the Collin’s Lanyard loop inside the yoke.
3. Check the reserve pin seating, RSL connection, and loop condition. Close pin cover.
4. Open the main cover flap and check the: A. Routing of the closing loop, B. Routing of the drogue bridle out of the top of the disk, C. Colored kill line in the drogue bridle set window, D. Locking pin and safety pin seating,
and E. Spectra Ripcord routing toward the housings. No twists.
5. Check the drogue bridle routing to the pouch.
6. Check that the drogue is well placed in the pouch.
7. Check that both drogue release handles are in place.
8. Check the general condition of container.
Front of Rig – Top Down

1. Check that the riser covers are correctly closed.
2. Check that the 3-Ring releases are assembled correctly.
3. Check that the RSL is hooked up to right riser and routed correctly.
4. Check that the breakaway handle is in place.
5. Check that the reserve ripcord is in its pocket, with slack in the cable.
6. Check the general condition of the harness webbing and hardware.

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yep apart from opening the reserve flap, I do all of that.

Some sigmas do not have a full clear flap so it is not possible to check all these things without opening the flap.

Ours do, we also have spectra ripcords and can check them from the reserve handle.

I notice that it does not mention touching these things as bill was trying to say earlier.

Sometimes I can see the yellow cable going through the lanyard too, but I physically check it by inserting my finger.

I have seen many TMs not check the routing of the cable through the lanyard (ever), I also have to tell some of them why they should, I also see many people routing the spinnaker clip for the RSL the incorrect way, (from the front rather than the back) I correct them on this also.

Many decide that sky hooks are a waste of time and insist on disconnecting them, and I have been hassled by some for being a pussy for using one. I could care less what people think of me.

And that includes you lot.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Let's hope you do not treat your aircraft's operating handbook with the same disdain you treat your rig's owner's manual.

In case you didn't notice, I am not a pilot.

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I check the pin through the window, and I am happy with that procedure.

Just as long as you are happy....screw the passangers they don't know any better.

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The 'public forum thing' is why many people try to be super_online_do_gooders.

No, I think some people are just trying to it right.

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Yet 80% of our customers still buy it for NZ$165 after watching the demo video.

And what percentage of your customers have any clue as to what is safe or unsafe on a tandem jump? Tandem mills are a little like herding sheep with credit cards.

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But I am just a greedy corporate drogue whore with no morals.

but I am an honest one.

Not if you are chargeing NZ$165 extra for carrring a GO PRO.

Sparky

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Let's hope you do not treat your aircraft's operating handbook with the same disdain you treat your rig's owner's manual.

Lets hope you are as diligent at telling people what to do at your own DZ;

This place look familiar? I dont see any handle check and I see a backfilp on exit...

Oooh look a handicam jump AT_YOUR_DZ...

... No blue handle check! no reserve handle touch

Fancy that..

Here is another

and another , this one has a couple or 3 backflips.

Need I go on?

Shit with a dropzone as loose as that, using crappy go pro cameras to boot, must not ever service their planes, and be complete money hungry scum with no safety standards..., by your rationale anyway.

You should stop jumping there immediately before you all get sued. You should all hand in your ratings as well, knowing about something illegal and not reporting it is a crime in itself.

Better dob your mates in the the manufacturers real quick!!!! Are you the S&TA?



G0 practice what you preach at your own DZ then come back to us with you bullshit artist super_on_line_good_guy tactics.

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No, I think some people are just trying to it right.

Lets youtube audit your DZ, what is your home DZ?

Are you willing to tell us?

Are you a TM?

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I could care less what people think of me.

And that includes you lot.

You’re breaking my heart. People liking me or not is not something I lose sleep over. I have spent my whole adult life watching people die unnecessarily and that upsets me. There are a lot of things in this world that shouldn’t be done in a haphazard way and making up your own rules. Skydiving Instructor is one of them. With your cavalier attitude toward safety you might want to make a career change. Something that will not put other people’s lives at risk by what you choose to do or not do.

Sparky

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You’re breaking my heart. People liking me or not is not something I lose sleep over. I have spent my whole adult life watching people die unnecessarily and that upsets me. There are a lot of things in this world that shouldn’t be done in a haphazard way and making up your own rules. Skydiving Instructor is one of them. With your cavalier attitude toward safety you might want to make a career change. Something that will not put other people’s lives at risk by what you choose to do or not do.

What is your home DZ?

My home DZ was Perris/Elsinore. No I am not a TI and I haven't jumped I almost 5 years. But I am a rigger, a pilot and was an S&TA at Perris for a few years and I can read. You sound like a 6 year old telling his mommy that little Jimmy does it so it can be wrong. Do the job right or quit.

Sparky

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You sound like a 6 year old telling his mommy that little Jimmy does it so it can be wrong. Do the job right or quit.

I am being honest, I do my job well, and no customer of mine has EVER had an injury to date (touch wood).

You do things your way, I'll do them mine.

You lot sure have a bee in your bonnet over this. Once again the focus of the conversation has moved from the point to a roasting of me.

No wonder there are so many bullshit artists in these forums, this is what happens to honest people.

Ego is pretty important in Seppo land, here we try to be humble and honest, egos get mocked.

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actually I do at least a half a dozen of them every jump.

Maybe, but you admit to skipping the ones required in freefall.

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You sound like a 6 year old telling his mommy that little Jimmy does it so it can be wrong. Do the job right or quit.

I am being honest, I do my job well, and no customer of mine has EVER had an injury to date (touch wood).

You do things your way, I'll do them mine.

You lot sure have a bee in your bonnet over this. Once again the focus of the conversation has moved from the point to a roasting of me.

No wonder there are so many bullshit artists in these forums, this is what happens to honest people.

Ego is pretty important in Seppo land, here we try to be humble and honest, egos get mocked.

I will be honest and admit I do not know what the last few lines mean, but I gather it is a "sky god", "non-sky god" issue.

HC is here, will stay here and is a less expensive means for a DZO to still give a Tandem Student a visual reminder/record of the fun time they had.

HC is also as safe as the T-I using it. I can find NO incident where a HC caused the incident. All "Incidents" fall back on the T-I NOT doing the proper things when confronted with an issue to be handled.

That being said, as far as SIGMA and Vector II Systems go, a T-I MUST still complete a full Handles Check after setting the Drogue.

From the Manufacturer:

"It’s important to check to see if the reserve cable is free from obstacles that could hinder its operation."

"The rule about droguefall handles check was around before the handy cam came on the market. We don’t have a problem with using handy cams except when TI’s don’t do there handles check for the sake of a better video. That check isn’t there to cover our ass it’s there to cover the TI’s. If there is a problem on a tandem jump and someone dies or is hurt and a good lawyer has a copy a video where the TI doesn’t do a handles check, see what he can do with it in a courtroom. It’s a standard procedure."

So, please continue to use HC and give the Student an option to have a video record/memory, just spend the second it takes to do a full Operating Systems Handles check.

Matt

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Let's hope you do not treat your aircraft's operating handbook with the same disdain you treat your rig's owner's manual.

Lets hope you are as diligent at telling people what to do at your own DZ;

This place look familiar? I dont see any handle check and I see a backfilp on exit...

Oooh look a handicam jump AT_YOUR_DZ...

... No blue handle check! no reserve handle touch

Fancy that..

Here is another

and another , this one has a couple or 3 backflips.

Need I go on?

Shit with a dropzone as loose as that, using crappy go pro cameras to boot, must not ever service their planes, and be complete money hungry scum with no safety standards..., by your rationale anyway.

You should stop jumping there immediately before you all get sued. You should all hand in your ratings as well, knowing about something illegal and not reporting it is a crime in itself.

Better dob your mates in the the manufacturers real quick!!!! Are you the S&TA?



G0 practice what you preach at your own DZ then come back to us with you bullshit artist super_on_line_good_guy tactics.

The second Video, he is so busy selling video, He forgot his own chest strap!

BIG no sell point ot hand cams..

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HC is also as safe as the T-I using it. I can find NO incident where a HC caused the incident. All "Incidents" fall back on the T-I NOT doing the proper things when confronted with an issue to be handled.

Exactly. Well said.

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Let's hope you do not treat your aircraft's operating handbook with the same disdain you treat your rig's owner's manual.

Lets hope you are as diligent at telling people what to do at your own DZ;

This place look familiar? I dont see any handle check and I see a backfilp on exit...

Oooh look a handicam jump AT_YOUR_DZ...

... No blue handle check! no reserve handle touch

Fancy that..

Here is another

and another , this one has a couple or 3 backflips.

Need I go on?

Shit with a dropzone as loose as that, using crappy go pro cameras to boot, must not ever service their planes, and be complete money hungry scum with no safety standards..., by your rationale anyway.

You should stop jumping there immediately before you all get sued. You should all hand in your ratings as well, knowing about something illegal and not reporting it is a crime in itself.

Better dob your mates in the the manufacturers real quick!!!! Are you the S&TA?



G0 practice what you preach at your own DZ then come back to us with you bullshit artist super_on_line_good_guy tactics.

Yea baby, yeaaa. I'm so happy that I don't live and work in the US with all it's PC litagous crap! I'm off to go throw a drogue and do a handscam jump - and do my handle checks in the plane and the RHS in freefall. However in order to keep it safe, I'll wear a helmet (as I always do) because I'm concerned for my, and therefore my punters safety.

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I'll wear a helmet (as I always do) because I'm concerned for my, and therefore my punters safety.

All Jumpers wear helmets (soft only for tandem customers) here also, it is the rules in NZ.

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I am being honest, I do my job well, and no customer of mine has EVER had an injury to date (touch wood).

And you should be proud of that record. But cutting corners on safety issues is a good way to bring it to an end.

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You do things your way, I'll do them mine.

Therein lays the problem. You have stated several different ways that you do things and none of them appear to be right. With a tandem passenger you don’t have the luxury of doing it your way, only the right way.

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You lot sure have a bee in your bonnet over this. Once again the focus of the conversation has moved from the point to a roasting of me.

I always have a “bee in my bonnet” over safety issues. Anytime you think your home grown methods trump those of the manufacture you are setting yourself up to be roasted.

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No wonder there are so many bullshit artists in these forums, this is what happens to honest people.

Ego is pretty important in Seppo land, here we try to be humble and honest, egos get mocked.

You seem to be leaning heavily on “honesty”. Your profile states:

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Lap: Senior Rigger

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They have not made lap type systems since the 1930's and the last ticket issued for one was before you were born. Have you even seen a picture of one?

Sparky